tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post473395488401527982..comments2024-03-06T06:21:20.015+00:00Comments on Charles Frith - Punk Planning: The Post Party Sweet SpotCharles Edward Frithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09231685619963486690noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-26320660700797720142009-11-03T00:20:50.663+00:002009-11-03T00:20:50.663+00:00I think you may have missed the point of the post ...I think you may have missed the point of the post Rob although I appreciate you reading one of my more controversial efforts<br /><br />I wrote: "Anyway, we've hit the sweet spot"<br /><br />This is the economic context for rewiring our economies. So while I appreciate you drawing my attention to a different type of index (though Bhutan has had a happiness index for all the years I've been in Asia) the point I was trying to convey is that the conditions were right. However I hadn't factored in the Wall Street economic hologram.<br /><br />I've yet to right a follow up post to this which is that essentially the economic crash hasn't happened. You mark my words on that. The worst is yet to come. Although as I wrote here it's a great opportunity too. I also believe that it will be a lot more bloody because we all sat back and let the Hyenas on Wall Street take our last opportunity to do it bloodlessly. Not so in the future!Charles Edward Frithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09231685619963486690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-49776583935300772992009-11-02T16:54:32.324+00:002009-11-02T16:54:32.324+00:00The economic solution your are looking for is call...The economic solution your are looking for is call the GPI index. Or at least that is one solution.<br /><br />But screw waiting around for economists to change. The way political economics is structured is based on the zeitgeist of the people.<br /><br />That is OUR JOB! So in every brief and in every meeting, how can we use the tools and the clients we have to change culture for the better.<br /><br />Lets undo what the Mad Men started, lets turn consumerism on its head.<br /><br />Prosumerism.Rob Beesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198985709335555444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-42869188959323768732008-12-15T21:40:00.000+00:002008-12-15T21:40:00.000+00:00Hi Charles,Maybe every blog community in every ind...Hi Charles,<BR/><BR/>Maybe every blog community in every industry is seeking to find where they fit in a reworking of how they work in order to become part of the solution towards a sustainable world - Maybe its more acute in this industry because we are at the sharp end of the problem, or it could be just that it is full of lots of people who want to make a bit of a difference by the ideas that they have. Anyway it seems that the volume is being turned up (even though as you say John G has been talking about all of this for years.) The answer has to be not just in the products that clients sell but in the products that we sell to them. How do we start to hard wire this stuff into the services that we are flogging? <BR/><BR/>PS - just posted some thoughts on the a new kind of agency that might be able to do this if you are interested...<BR/><BR/>Daviddavid Hawksworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17082213727965590372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-83528985276134669112008-12-09T23:42:00.000+00:002008-12-09T23:42:00.000+00:00I came across that quote on Naked Capitalism in th...I came across that quote on Naked Capitalism in the comments Improvedliving. I like it a lot.Charles Edward Frithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09231685619963486690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-91995054955951134702008-12-09T20:58:00.000+00:002008-12-09T20:58:00.000+00:00It's going to be a touch ride in the next year or ...It's going to be a touch ride in the next year or so but I think the soil will be richer from the ashes.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.teetimesanywhere.com" REL="nofollow">Golf Tee Times</A>Improvedlivinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15875384218907815887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-54490599898255249152008-11-25T02:38:00.000+00:002008-11-25T02:38:00.000+00:00Thanks for all your comments everyone. It's always...Thanks for all your comments everyone. It's always a risk with these types of posts to be seen as anti advertising but I think there's a really noble place for the art of persuasion and communication in building a better place while contributing to a wealth creation model that doesn't make wealth creation the centre or sole objective.<BR/><BR/>It's going to be a touch ride in the next year or so but I think the soil will be richer from the ashes.<BR/><BR/>Adam and Bevan; I think you guys agree on more than you disagree. Big picture guys c'mon!Charles Edward Frithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09231685619963486690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-84156014511646550532008-11-24T10:15:00.000+00:002008-11-24T10:15:00.000+00:00charles - i'm not sure if what i read just then wa...charles - i'm not sure if what i read just then was the 'tidy up later' version, but if it's not, fuck being 'refined' - this is great. and reads completely differently 'live' (as oppposed to RSS reader).<BR/><BR/>and, you and i know that the economists are not going to do shit. even mr smith - the guy on the £10 took yeeeears to get his theories to be accepted into mass-society. and he invented the basic stuff. implementing morals and conscience is even harder.<BR/><BR/>but don't stop hassling them. (that's my motto). some people have a role of a terrier - to just keep at them and at them - herd them into line. i have a feeling that, with posts like this, you are almost a terrier. chihuahua maybe.laurenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17926021946906879693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-26137532401194851292008-11-20T14:06:00.000+00:002008-11-20T14:06:00.000+00:00@Bevan*sigh*Pro-duc-tion. Product: The result of a...@Bevan<BR/><BR/>*sigh*<BR/><BR/>Pro-duc-tion. Product: The result of a multiplication. Multiples. Value creation. Yeah?<BR/><BR/>Did you not read Umair's post about User-generated context? <BR/><BR/>http://www.havasmedialab.com/?p=27<BR/><BR/>At every touchpoint in your social 'media' contextual data is being created (at the very least).<BR/><BR/>The consumptive paradigm cannot explain next-gen social production business models like Google.<BR/><BR/>Service is just an interface.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-58013903783794136182008-11-19T02:01:00.000+00:002008-11-19T02:01:00.000+00:00Great post mate - links in with my whole 'move cul...Great post mate - links in with my whole 'move culture, not categories' philosophy - which is why adland needs to be more like the manufacturing industry than the communication one.<BR/><BR/>Infiltrating and motivating society needs more than just ads, even if they have a part to play. It's all about perspectives and too many in adland still think it's the only thing worth focusing on.<BR/><BR/>Fools. :)Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02781423013658665692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-28183477237949949632008-11-18T22:50:00.000+00:002008-11-18T22:50:00.000+00:00Hey Charles...in a related post, would love to kno...Hey Charles...in a related post, would love to know what you think of this...<BR/>http://tinyurl.com/6qyeq2NoillyPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13139198221929286769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-36318737526718019712008-11-18T16:48:00.000+00:002008-11-18T16:48:00.000+00:00it is great to hear the voice of reason seasoned w...it is great to hear the voice of reason seasoned with morality in this industry and world eaten by wanting more of everything. i wonder isn't it too late? didn't we all become a liquid mass (desperately trying to dfferentiate with various types of labels) deprived of morality and God...I hope not!Dariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01042330207539391613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-4523982219735311492008-11-18T16:40:00.000+00:002008-11-18T16:40:00.000+00:00Nice words sir. Exactly why I became a service des...Nice words sir. Exactly why I became a service designer and not a salesman. Making services that are free or bundled into your main subscription that deliver way more value than you pay for is a rewarding business to be in.<BR/><BR/>As for social media, yes the first step has been made but be benefits haven't truly been felt by the masses. That will come through awareness of context. I have a post coming on this very soon...charlie gowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13035144385755395190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-15611034132389192042008-11-18T15:57:00.000+00:002008-11-18T15:57:00.000+00:00Production.... no way... then you'd lose the joy o...Production.... no way... then you'd lose the joy of a word with such a rich latin root medium...collective, in the middle, between two extremes, a person who communicates between the dead and the living [which side of that dichotomy the audience and client of a TVC are on I would leave up to you], the layer between a blood vessel, the substance in which an organism lives or is cultured...[Charles is pretty cultured with media, agar or the internet], material used by an artist... yes... all these available in OED... to be replaced by a mechanistic word such as production, associated with factories and bloodless repetition.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13493723026509512493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-74553070572891455142008-11-18T12:46:00.000+00:002008-11-18T12:46:00.000+00:00Nice.We should be calling it social production rat...Nice.<BR/><BR/>We should be calling it social production rather than social media.<BR/><BR/>It makes things clearer and more purposeful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-7302907608964921862008-11-18T12:27:00.000+00:002008-11-18T12:27:00.000+00:00Great post, Charles. Been around this sort of thin...Great post, Charles. Been around this sort of thing for a long time too and working something up. More on that soon. Anyways, good stuff.NoillyPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13139198221929286769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-92230270406443024362008-11-18T11:54:00.000+00:002008-11-18T11:54:00.000+00:00Thanks Brian. This of courses diminishes my income...Thanks Brian. This of courses diminishes my income in the short run and increases it in the long run. I'm OK about that.Charles Edward Frithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09231685619963486690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-85745617152484389862008-11-18T11:50:00.000+00:002008-11-18T11:50:00.000+00:00See, this is why I miss bending your ear in the En...See, this is why I miss bending your ear in the Endurance. Now can you send this to all the economists to take note and maybe just maybe, they will see that there is an alternative answer. Nice one xJamie Coomberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01546498310698748276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6402480621391937537.post-49651373951746918232008-11-18T11:42:00.000+00:002008-11-18T11:42:00.000+00:00Charles, good on you for laying it bare. Taking re...Charles, good on you for laying it bare. Taking responsibility for your work and it's impact on the planet is something we all need to do more of. As a photographer I did one job for a cigarette multinational and was right royally fucked over. I didn't agree with smoking then and even less so now.<BR/><BR/>Social media presents us with a chance to do things on much more personal and meaningful level, just as long as we don't screw it all up with greed. The future this time is truly in our hands, let's pass the torch on while we still have oil to burn.jrfictionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08316684327005991255noreply@blogger.com